two lost souls podcast
A podcast for trainee and qualified High Intensity CBT therapists in the UK.
Conversations about training, imposter syndrome, and the parts of the job that rarely get talked about.
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Two Lost Souls is the podcast that aims to guide you through the process of becoming (and being!) a High Intensity CBT Therapist.
Whether you’re a PWP or other health professional intrigued by what the journey entails, a trainee CBT therapist looking for immediate guidance or advice, or a qualified therapist looking for an extra source of reflection, this podcast is for you!
The CBT Career Guide (with Dr Helen Moya)
Dr Helen Moya is back in the therapy room, this time to talk about her new book, The CBT Career Guide. Helen was previously course director on the Nottingham CBT PG Dip, and long-time listeners will remember her from our earlier episode on comorbid ADHD (linked below). This time she's turned her attention to something training courses rarely touch: what an actual career in CBT looks like, before, during and long after qualifying.
- The ARD model — why Helen built her book around the Attract, Retain and Develop model rather than the usual ”before/during/after training” framing, and why she wants career pathways taught in schools and colleges, not just on placement.
- Professional identity and the ”patchwork” route in — the difference between coming into CBT via a core profession versus the KSA route, and why so many trainees feel unmoored without a clear professional identity.
- Retention, burnout and the ”sausage factory” — the systemic pressures that keep clinicians stuck, and why career development so rarely gets talked about.
- Diversity, lived experience and building a CBT therapist — unconscious bias, imposter syndrome, and why Helen made diversity a thread through the whole book rather than a single chapter.
ABOUT HELEN
Dr Helen Moya is the author of The CBT Career Guide, former course director of the Nottingham CBT PG Dip, and a CBT therapist with a background in learning disability nursing. She offers one-to-one career consultations alongside her writing, training, and clinical work.
The CBT Career Guide is available from Amazonand other book retailers (~£21).
You can find out more about Helen on her website at http://www.moyacbt.co.uk/, and check out her incredibly useful resource page at http://www.moyacbt.co.uk/resources/.
Also mentioned: our earlier episode with Helen on comorbid ADHD — well worth going back to if you haven't already.
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In our first episode of 2026, we speak to Dr. Laura Winter (Counselling Psychologist and researcher with a special interest in P/politics and social justice) and Dr. Richard Bennett (Clinical Psychologist, CBT / ACT therapist and Clinical Lead on the HICBT course at the University of Birmingham) about P/politics!
Key topics include:
– What we mean by P/politics, and the difference between Politics and politics
– How P/politics shows up in therapeutic environments
– Navigating P/political material as part of therapeutic journeys.
Lots of food for reflection in this episode, and we hope you found it as fascinating as we did!
KSASSISTANT:
Find out more information about the KSAssistant webapp (the tool that takes the scare out of the KSA portfolio process) at https://twolostsouls.co.uk/ksassistant.
ABOUT DR. LAURA WINTER:
Laura Winter (she/her) is an HCPC registered Counselling Psychologist and Reader in Education and Counselling Psychology in the Manchester Institute of Education.
Laura has published widely in the fields of counselling psychology and education, focusing largely on the interplay between social and political issues, education and wellbeing.
You can find out more about Laura's work at https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/persons/laura.winter/
ABOUT DR. RICHARD BENNETT:
Dr Richard Bennett works as an Associate Professor on the CBT programmes at the University of Birmingham, where he co-leads the Postgraduate Diploma in HICBT, training therapists NHS Talking Therapies. He is qualified as a Clinical Psychologist and Occupational Therapist and regularly contributes to a range of professional training courses across the University.
More information on Dr. Bennett can be found at:
www.thinkpsychology.co – for therapy, supervision, and other enquiries
https://www.thinkpsychology.co/about.php?page=research-and-publications – for a list of Rich's publications
www.ACTivatingyourpractice.com – for training in ACT
https://2oldpsych.alitu.com/ – for Dr. Rich and Dr. Ray Owen's ACT Training Podcast: Two Old Psychologists Talking About Stuff
Rich can also be found at @ThinkPsychol on Insta, Threads, and Bluesky.
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CONTACT TWO LOST SOULS
If you have queries or comments on this episode, or any other, you can email the podcast at hello@twolostsouls.co.uk.